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Saturday, July 28, 2007

Petraeus is no hero to the Iraqis

There's no way this would ever be allowed to reach the political level of Petraeus being asked to leave, but if there's that much tension there, how much is really getting done?
A key aide says Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s relations with U.S. commander Gen. David Petraeus are so poor the Iraqi leader may ask Washington the withdraw the well-regarded U.S. military leader from duty here.

The Iraqi foreign minister calls the relationship “difficult.”

Petraeus says his ties with al-Maliki are “very good” but acknowledges expressing “the full range of emotions” on “a couple of occasions.”

U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker, who meets together with al-Maliki and Petraeus at least weekly, concedes “sometimes there are sporty exchanges.”


The majority of the dispute seems to be over Petraeus' plan to arm the Sunni groups (outlined in the next post.) Second hand, we get a report that
“(Maliki) told Bush that if Petraeus continues doing that he would arm Shiite Militias. Bush told al-Maliki to calm down,” according to the lawmaker who said he was told of the exchange by al-Maliki.

According to this reporting, this is the context through which Maliki said American forces could leave earlier this month.

This is alot of heresay reporting, but it does fit with everything else we've heard.

7 Comments:

  • It looks as though Petraeus' military duties have strayed into the international foreign policy arena.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:28 AM  

  • We need to decide why the hell we're in Iraq. Is it to facilitate a free and independent government, or is it to pound it into a passive American controlled puppet state?

    If the former, we should redeploy ASAP. If the latter, we should re-invade with overwhelming, uncompromising force and just pacify the shit out of the place. Set up an appointed government made up of strong-will, common-minded locals who are dependent on American money for a comfortable lifestyle.

    You can either liberate or dominate. You can't fart around in some half-assed middle ground.

    By Blogger -epm, at 10:06 AM  

  • Anon, I don't know if it's genuine frustration or sort of a "bad cop" act, but it's not productive as far as I can see. The Sunni/government split is growing and both sides are beginning to arm up.

    ....

    EPM, If I were guessing, what I think we're trying to do now, at least in the short term, is pull the Saudis out of Iraq. The efforts to stop Iran have obviously failed, so I think they're trying to tackle the other side.

    It's looking more to me like the goal is security through a very fragile balance of forces between the Sunni and Shia with the US acting as a Sunni benefactor in the place of Saudi trying to counterbalance the Iranian influence.

    Nothing solid to hang that on, but that seems to be the direction of US intervention in the combat politics.

    By Blogger mikevotes, at 12:08 PM  

  • That all makes sense... but we're talking about the Bush administration.

    To that end I don't think they have a frickin' clue (grounded in reality) what they expect to accomplish, or how to accomplish it if they do. It's all some la-dee-da bullshit about supporting the government (that is playing us as fools) giving them time for some goddamn group hug of reconciliation (while they actually plot each other's assassinations) and some boogeyman horse shit about Bin Laden's bloodthirst Al Qaeda spreading like a brushfire across Iraq, ready to eat little white babies in America if we even fuckin' blink.

    It's hot. It's humid. And I've fucking had enough of trying to "understand" these so-called leaders of ours. (Vitriol aimed at the faceless they... not you.)

    By Blogger -epm, at 1:38 PM  

  • Well, they've always had plans, things they tried, and note that I never said that this was realistic or something they could accomplish.

    (In fact, I see this as a recipe for a later implosion because trying to escalate capabilities to maintain balnce in this thing is going to be impossible.)

    I do think that examining what they're trying to do is worthwhile because it's seeing their side of the (poorly played) chessboard. It's one of the elements that will help determine where it's all going.

    By Blogger mikevotes, at 1:45 PM  

  • No. No. You're correct. Calm, cool and rationally correct. It good to try to get in their head and try to see things from their perspective. But do you really think they're trying to accomplish anything or are they just playing political ego-games with human lives and American liberty?

    By Blogger -epm, at 2:11 PM  

  • I think it's both. I think they see current strategy as both the most likely to last through the presidency, and it might work.

    My guess is it's judgement filtered through politics. They will not admit failure, they will not withdraw, so, then, Petraeus' plan is considered the best bet.

    By Blogger mikevotes, at 5:50 PM  

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